any ol stuff from Halfords will do...anyway if they are doing it why are you worried about it?

 

Nah, the point I'm making is that I'm not paying £300+ for something I can do myself for ~£100.

Just need to know which coolant I should be using if the one in the manual isn't available anymore 🤷‍♂️

 

This is what I use in US, but really anything that is phosphate free will do the trick.

 

Why would you have to change the coolant already, because they want you to spend money. I know the owners manual says every 3 years but come on just a money grab.

 

In addition to using phosphate free coolant you also have to make sure that it not contain any silicates. It's really best to use motorcycle specific coolant.

Chico

 

This is completely not true. Triumph OEM coolant HD4X HOAT contains both silicates and borates which are well known for their ability to provide excellent protection in heavy duty applications particularly where there is potential for cavitation erosion-corrosion to occur.

 

Why does it have to be Phosphate free?

A lot of other posts and forums are suggesting Prestone, but they use Phosphates.

Who knew coolant could be so bloody confusing? 😂

 

Why does it have to be Phosphate free?

A lot of other posts and forums are suggesting Prestone, but they use Phosphates.

Who knew coolant could be so bloody confusing? 😂

There are many articles on this subject on the net. Look some up on Google, interesting and important subject, especially if you care about your engine.

Chico

 

Bought this(picture) from my Triumph dealer, US, they told me this is what they use for all their bikes(not just the triumphs)..........

 

Chico is right, you dont want to use generic anti-freeze. It should be OAT silicate free. I'm pretty sure the Honda procoolant is compatible. Its the same as Triumph HD4X but cheaper.

 

On my bikes I use G30 grade coolant. It is silicate free OAT based long life (5yrs) coolant. Usually red in color. Brand does not matter very much. By buying ready to use coolant you also buy very expensive water.

 

I caved and ordered two bottles of the Hd4x 😒

I spent most of the last two days scouring the Web for info, and the only solid recommendation I could find was Prestone Extended Life coolant, which appears to be unavailable in the UK since I can't find it anywhere this side of the pond, and when i called a prestone and asked them about it, they didn't know what I was talking about and said they only do one coolant.

I'd be interested in a Waterless swap in the future, but at least this will cover me for the next couple of years 🤷‍♂️

 

This be ok to add to what's left in bottom of my reservoir ( from day 1 ) now 4740 miles .

Says it can be mixed ok without issue

 

Hi again,

This is kind of following on from my other post about servicing, but I can't find any recent posts on the subject either so thought I'd ask.

Spoke to my local triumph about the fact that my Speedy is a 2018 model, has only had the first service, but only has 1400 miles on it, and they want £300+ for changing my engine oil, diagnostics, brake fluid flush, and coolant change.

I figured I could do that easily, but he said something about the factory coolant being discontinued, so they have to use an updated coolant now, and seemed quite vague about it.

Is this true? And if so, what coolant is being used now if the stuff in the manual isn't the correct stuff?

Hi again,

This is kind of following on from my other post about servicing, but I can't find any recent posts on the subject either so thought I'd ask.

Spoke to my local triumph about the fact that my Speedy is a 2018 model, has only had the first service, but only has 1400 miles on it, and they want £300+ for changing my engine oil, diagnostics, brake fluid flush, and coolant change.

I figured I could do that easily, but he said something about the factory coolant being discontinued, so they have to use an updated coolant now, and seemed quite vague about it.

Is this true? And if so, what coolant is being used now if the stuff in the manual isn't the correct stuff?

I was told by Triumph UK that the HD4X printed in all the Handbooks was discontinued in Jan 2021. As it's completely unavailable there must be something erong with it - why no recall... Handbooks for 2021 still specify it.

 

I'd like to know why it's been discontinued. But I guess we'll never find out.

 

not my words.......

Please Note Triumph D2053 OAT is coloured orange compared to the Triumph HD4X OAT which is coloured green. When topping up/replacing with the new coolant (colour orange) check the coolant in the system. You can not mix the HD4X OAT with the new D2053 OAT, The system will need to be drained and flushed through with de-ionised water before filling with Triumph D2053 OAT. The new coolant has a service life of 5 Years.

.........assuming the above is correct - OAT you buy from the shop is always orange. God knows why Triumph originally coloured HD4X green, and why you cant mix the old and new together, even though they are both OAT

 

You can't buy HD4X any more...

 

ah - there you go - the old stuff is actually tuorquoise

 

i know you cant buy it any more - Im with Beardedbobber for topping up

 

is it because the Hybrid OAT contains silicates....... (NAP free not NAPS free) - so everyone on the original coolant is running round with silicate in the system

 

This in-depth analysis of Triumph HD4X HOAT coolant will answer all your questions. The manufacturer of HD4X concentrate is Finol Oils (below also link to data sheet). Enjoy.

Three Triumph HD4X Coolant Alternatives — Analysis / Detail

The three best Triumph HD4X Hybrid OAT coolant alternatives — comparing specs and getting it right. Checking two alternatives in detail.

maintenanceschedule.net

https://www.finol.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Finol-Premium-HD4X-Concentrate.pdf

 

Krysztof, after reading your strong statement I felt compelled to do some further research. Every article I read states that car coolant contains silicates among other additives. For motorcycle engines however that is not the case. The following paragraph synthesizes all of what I read.

"What does silicate do in coolant?
Silicate gel buildup greatly reduces heat transfer from the engine castings to the coolant. When the gel coats the temperature sender, engine overheating can take place without notice. Silicate gel also carriers abrasive particles to the water pump, where it wears away pump seals causing leakage and failure."

Chico

 

Krysztof, after reading the list of vehicles that finol recommends, all the brand names are car companies, not one motorcycle name listed. It looks like your source of coolant isn't meant for motorbikes.

Chico

 

Coolant for engine is the same for a car vs bike, there is nothing special about a bike.

As long as you get the specs correct to manufacture then your good to go.

**** even engine oil with the correct properties and don’t contain friction modifiers will be fine.

Penrite sells car oils that suit motorcycles as well.

 

The word PEDANTIC comes to mind after reading all this bu// sh#+, there's probably a guy with a heap of demineralised water and a load of green dye and red dye somewhere laughing his fu@#ing head off and making sh:t loads of money out of it, it's not going to happen in our lifetime guys just enjoy the ride

 

Spud, you're taking all the fun out of this conversation!

Chico

 

I do not know who wrote that analysis, but there is a major flaw which somewhat negates to recommendations. I contacted Ken Cummins at Finol and he confirmed that Finol are not the supplier of Triumph's HD4X coolant. He suspects it was Solventis who supply many OEMs with white label coolants and oils. So I am still not sure whether to top up with a P-HOAT or a S-HOAT coolant

 

Top it up with water, it won't make a
scrap of difference either way.

Cheers.

 

"Cooling systems in motorcycles contain more aluminium than the ones in passenger cars. Some even use magnesium. These metals are lightweight yet strong when compared to iron, but on the other hand, they are susceptible to corrosion. Hence, choosing an anti-corrosive coolant is extremely important.

If corrosion occurs in cooling systems of bikes, it would hinder heat transfer, thus increasing the engine temperature tremendously. Even worse, it can clog coolant passages and prevent the flow of coolant, which will also result in overheating.

Hence, to provide the best quality protection, use a special motorcycle coolant or some other coolant that contains highly purified water. Also, make sure the coolant you choose contains additives that are specifically designed for magnesium, aluminium and other metals that are mostly present in motorcycle cooling systems."

Direct quote.

Chico

 

This discussion seems silly to me. Why not use the recommended type of coolant. It might cost a little more, most mc specific parts do, and err on the side of caution.

Chico

 

Called both triumph dealerships and even they use penrite red coolant.....they said cant get triumph red coolant here.

 

By Google Penrite red is G40 coolant and contains silicates. So it is same as the "old" Triumph coolant. Triumph swapped to silicate free so G30 (G12+) should be the current alternative.